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🚨🔥 Something 𝐁𝐈𝐆 is coming to the Scoop and Scale podcast on Monday… and the conversation might ruffle some pasture feathers. 🐎🌱
Did you see that viral post that went around in June—the one that’s challenging everything we thought we knew about grass height, sugars, and safe grazing for metabolic horses?
🎙️ We’re bringing on the brilliant mind behind the post—𝐃𝐫. 𝐌𝐢𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐁𝐨𝐞𝐫 𝐨f Equine, PhD —to break it ALL down. The science. The controversy. The implications. And yes... she’s naming names (in studies, not people 😅).
I have seen some images and posts circulating lately regarding the ideal grass height to reduce ‘sugar’ intake in horses. The common recommendation is that short grass will have the highest sugars compared to taller grasses. But is this really the case?
In plants such as grasses, simple sugars (often grouped with starch and fructans and termed nonstructural carbohydrates or NSCs) are produced via photosynthesis. This class of carbohydrate is an important source of energy for the horse and they are digested and absorbed in the foregut, leading to an increase in blood glucose and insulin. As a result, high levels of NSCs in the diet can be an issue for horses with metabolic concerns, specifically related to insulin dysregulation which may be observed in horses diagnosed with equine metabolic syndrome (EMS), Cushing’s (PPID), and laminitis/founder.
The belief that short grass has higher NSCs is due to the fact that grasses tend to store these sugars in the lower base of the stem. As a result, shorter grass is more concentrated in NSC. But is this actually the case – what has the research shown us?
🔬 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐡.
A study performed in New Jersey evaluated cool-season grass pastures and compared short, continuously grazed pasture (2.9 to 4.1 inches/7.3 to 10.5 cm) to a taller, rotationally grazed pasture (5 to 9.5 inches/12.4 to 24.1 cm). This study found that the ‘sugars’ in the grass, as well as the glucose and insulin responses in grazing horses, were the same regardless of grass height. Rather, season and time of day were two important variables capable of altering these carbohydrate concentrations. 📚 Williams et al., 2019
A separate study in North Carolina evaluated horses grazing tall fescue pasture mowed down to 5.9 inches (15 cm) 11 days prior to grazing horses compared to taller grass (11.8 to 15.8 inches/30 to 40 cm). This study found that the shorter, mowed pasture resulted in less simple sugars and a subsequent decrease in the insulin response of grazing horses compared to taller grass. 📚 Siciliano et al., 2017
𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐡𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐞?
🍃 Short or overgrazed grass may lack sufficient leafy surface to produce and store sugars effectively.
🌱 Under stress, plants may move sugars into the roots—where grazing horses can't reach them.
🌾 Shorter grass that is actively growing is more likely to utilize the NSC to contribute to growth whereas a taller, more mature grass will accumulate and store more NSCs.
🐴 Horses can consume more grass per bite when eating tall grass (Eduoard et al., 2009) which could result in greater sugar intake as well as an increased glucose and insulin response.
𝐒𝐨 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧?
These findings suggest that short grass may not be as concerning as we originally thought. With that said, there are a few things to keep in mind:
⚠️ There will always be a risk when allowing sugar-sensitive horses to graze fresh forage due to regular fluctuations in the NSCs in pasture.
✂️ Managing pastures is important, and while shorter grasses may be beneficial, it is important not to overgraze pastures (less than 4 inches).
🧪 The only way to truly know the NSCs in the forage is by sending a sample to a lab for analysis. While this is trickier to do with fresh forage (since it constantly changes), it can create a baseline to guide decisions.
🗺️ There are many factors that may influence these findings so it should not be applied broadly and should be considered within the context of your horses, location, species, and management style.
📌 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲
Grass height alone is not a reliable measure of pasture safety. For metabolically sensitive horses, effective management, not grass length, is what truly matters.
Cheers, Dr. DeBoer
Siciliano PD, Gill JC, Bowman MA. Effect of sward height on pasture nonstructural carbohydrate concentrations and blood glucose/insulin profiles in grazing horses. Journal of Equine Veterinary Science. 2017 Oct 1;57:29-34.
Williams CA, Kenny LB, Burk AO. Effects of grazing system, season, and forage carbohydrates on glucose and insulin dynamics of the grazing horse. Journal of animal science. 2019 May 30;97(6):2541-54.
Edouard N, Fleurance G, Dumont B, Baumont R, Duncan P. Does sward height affect feeding patch choice and voluntary intake in horses?. Applied Animal Behaviour Science. 2009 Jul 1;119(3-4):219-28. ... See MoreSee Less
Up to 30% of horses over 15 are affected by 𝐏𝐏𝐈𝐃. Signs include a long coat that doesn’t shed, weight/muscle loss, drinking/urinating more, behavior changes, infections, laminitis, and more.
The UMN Equine Extension Program is studying how genetics affect PPID and how horses respond to pergolide treatment.
📢 They’re looking for horses with PPID to join the study!
Up to 30% of horses over age 15 will be diagnosed with PPID (formerly Cushing’s). Common signs include a long, shaggy coat that doesn’t shed, weight loss, muscle loss, increased drinking/urination, behavior changes, infections, decrease in fertility, and laminitis.
The UMN Equine Genetics and Genomics Laboratory is conducting a research study to better understand the genetics of PPID and how horses respond to pergolide, the most common treatment. Help them improve the care of senior horses. ❤️
Lately, I’ve seen more and more horse owners online asking how to switch to a "f𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞-𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝" diet—when in reality, many of them are already feeding one without realizing it. This episode of Scoop and Scale came out of that growing trend and the frustration that comes with confusing or misused nutrition terms like “grain-free” and “carb-free.”
We recorded 𝐄𝐩. 𝟓𝟑: 𝐓𝐡𝐞 F𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞-𝐁𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐃𝐢𝐞𝐭 𝐓𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝: 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐘𝐨𝐮’𝐫𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐀𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐃𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐑𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 to help horse owners understand what a forage-based diet really is, why words matter, and how good intentions can sometimes lead to unnecessary changes.
If you've ever felt overwhelmed by nutrition advice online or unsure what certain terms really mean—this one’s for you. 🎧🐴
Lately, we’ve noticed a growing number of horse owners online seeking advice on how to feed “forage-based” diets. But are they already doing this without realizing?
Anhidrosis is often missed by horse owners. In this episode of Scoop and Scale we do a deep dive into this condition. Listen now on the link below or your favorite podcast app.
🚨 𝐍𝐞𝐰 𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝐃𝐫𝐨𝐩! 🚨
𝐄𝐩. 𝟓𝟒: 𝐔𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐏𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐒𝐮𝐠𝐚𝐫 𝐋𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐬 — 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐨f 𝐈𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐄𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐧𝐞, 𝐏𝐡𝐃
🎧 Tune in now to hear from Dr. Michelle DeBoer of Equine, PhD, to bust pasture myths and get real about NSC, sugar levels, and grass height—especially for metabolic horses. 🐴🔬
#horsehealth #horses #equinenutrition #equinenutritionist #laminitisawareness #nsclevels #PastureManagement #grassheight #GrazingManagement #horsepodcast #horseowners #horsepodcast #equinepodcast #pony #feedwithfacts #scoopandscalepodcast
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Ep. 54: Understanding Pasture Grass Sugar Levels — The Long and the Short of It with the Equine, PhD - Scoop & Scale
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Jul 21, 2025 | Dr. Clair Thunes, Dr. Michelle DeBoer, Equine Nutrition, Equine, PhD, Grass Height, Laminitis, NSC (non-structural carbohydrates), Pasture Management, Podcast, PPID1 CommentsComment on Facebook
🎙️Join us Monday on Scoop and Scale when we sit down with the Equine, PhD.
🎧 Catch a sneak peek below ⬇️
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🚨🔥 Something 𝐁𝐈𝐆 is coming to the Scoop and Scale podcast on Monday… and the conversation might ruffle some pasture feathers. 🐎🌱
Did you see that viral post that went around in June—the one that’s challenging everything we thought we knew about grass height, sugars, and safe grazing for metabolic horses?
🎙️ We’re bringing on the brilliant mind behind the post—𝐃𝐫. 𝐌𝐢𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐁𝐨𝐞𝐫 𝐨f Equine, PhD —to break it ALL down. The science. The controversy. The implications. And yes... she’s naming names (in studies, not people 😅).
If you missed it, check it out here before the episode drops.
📖 ➡️ www.facebook.com/share/p/1GDxZTM9xQ/
"𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐒𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐬 – 𝐄𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐑𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐨f 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐇𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 & 𝐍𝐒𝐂 𝐋𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐬"
𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠𝑛’𝑡 j𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛… 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘.
#horsehealth #equinepodcast #equinephd #metabolichorse #NSC #pasturemanagement #grassheightdebate #laminitisawareness #insulinresistance #horsecaretruths #EquestrianScience #equinenutrition #comingMonday🌱 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐓𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐒𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐬 - 𝐄𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐑𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐇𝐞𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 & 𝐍𝐒𝐂 𝐋𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐬 🐴
I have seen some images and posts circulating lately regarding the ideal grass height to reduce ‘sugar’ intake in horses. The common recommendation is that short grass will have the highest sugars compared to taller grasses. But is this really the case?
📖 𝐋𝐞𝐭’𝐬 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐬𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭:
In plants such as grasses, simple sugars (often grouped with starch and fructans and termed nonstructural carbohydrates or NSCs) are produced via photosynthesis. This class of carbohydrate is an important source of energy for the horse and they are digested and absorbed in the foregut, leading to an increase in blood glucose and insulin. As a result, high levels of NSCs in the diet can be an issue for horses with metabolic concerns, specifically related to insulin dysregulation which may be observed in horses diagnosed with equine metabolic syndrome (EMS), Cushing’s (PPID), and laminitis/founder.
The belief that short grass has higher NSCs is due to the fact that grasses tend to store these sugars in the lower base of the stem. As a result, shorter grass is more concentrated in NSC. But is this actually the case – what has the research shown us?
🔬 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐡.
A study performed in New Jersey evaluated cool-season grass pastures and compared short, continuously grazed pasture (2.9 to 4.1 inches/7.3 to 10.5 cm) to a taller, rotationally grazed pasture (5 to 9.5 inches/12.4 to 24.1 cm). This study found that the ‘sugars’ in the grass, as well as the glucose and insulin responses in grazing horses, were the same regardless of grass height. Rather, season and time of day were two important variables capable of altering these carbohydrate concentrations.
📚 Williams et al., 2019
A separate study in North Carolina evaluated horses grazing tall fescue pasture mowed down to 5.9 inches (15 cm) 11 days prior to grazing horses compared to taller grass (11.8 to 15.8 inches/30 to 40 cm). This study found that the shorter, mowed pasture resulted in less simple sugars and a subsequent decrease in the insulin response of grazing horses compared to taller grass.
📚 Siciliano et al., 2017
𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐡𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐞?
🍃 Short or overgrazed grass may lack sufficient leafy surface to produce and store sugars effectively.
🌱 Under stress, plants may move sugars into the roots—where grazing horses can't reach them.
🌾 Shorter grass that is actively growing is more likely to utilize the NSC to contribute to growth whereas a taller, more mature grass will accumulate and store more NSCs.
🐴 Horses can consume more grass per bite when eating tall grass (Eduoard et al., 2009) which could result in greater sugar intake as well as an increased glucose and insulin response.
𝐒𝐨 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧?
These findings suggest that short grass may not be as concerning as we originally thought. With that said, there are a few things to keep in mind:
⚠️ There will always be a risk when allowing sugar-sensitive horses to graze fresh forage due to regular fluctuations in the NSCs in pasture.
✂️ Managing pastures is important, and while shorter grasses may be beneficial, it is important not to overgraze pastures (less than 4 inches).
🧪 The only way to truly know the NSCs in the forage is by sending a sample to a lab for analysis. While this is trickier to do with fresh forage (since it constantly changes), it can create a baseline to guide decisions.
🗺️ There are many factors that may influence these findings so it should not be applied broadly and should be considered within the context of your horses, location, species, and management style.
📌 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲
Grass height alone is not a reliable measure of pasture safety. For metabolically sensitive horses, effective management, not grass length, is what truly matters.
Cheers,
Dr. DeBoer
Siciliano PD, Gill JC, Bowman MA. Effect of sward height on pasture nonstructural carbohydrate concentrations and blood glucose/insulin profiles in grazing horses. Journal of Equine Veterinary Science. 2017 Oct 1;57:29-34.
Williams CA, Kenny LB, Burk AO. Effects of grazing system, season, and forage carbohydrates on glucose and insulin dynamics of the grazing horse. Journal of animal science. 2019 May 30;97(6):2541-54.
Edouard N, Fleurance G, Dumont B, Baumont R, Duncan P. Does sward height affect feeding patch choice and voluntary intake in horses?. Applied Animal Behaviour Science. 2009 Jul 1;119(3-4):219-28. ... See MoreSee Less
1 CommentsComment on Facebook
🐴 Does Your Horse Have 𝐏𝐏𝐈𝐃 (𝐂𝐮𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠’𝐬)?
Up to 30% of horses over 15 are affected by 𝐏𝐏𝐈𝐃. Signs include a long coat that doesn’t shed, weight/muscle loss, drinking/urinating more, behavior changes, infections, laminitis, and more.
The UMN Equine Extension Program is studying how genetics affect PPID and how horses respond to pergolide treatment.
📢 They’re looking for horses with PPID to join the study!
👉 Learn more & see if your horse qualifies:
🔗 z.umn.edu/pergolidestudy
Please share to help improve care for senior horses. ❤️
#ppidhorses #cushings #SeniorHorseCare #EquineHealth #horseowners #umnequine
www.facebook.com/share/p/19wy4GYzbC/Call for Horses with PPID! 🐴
Up to 30% of horses over age 15 will be diagnosed with PPID (formerly Cushing’s). Common signs include a long, shaggy coat that doesn’t shed, weight loss, muscle loss, increased drinking/urination, behavior changes, infections, decrease in fertility, and laminitis.
The UMN Equine Genetics and Genomics Laboratory is conducting a research study to better understand the genetics of PPID and how horses respond to pergolide, the most common treatment. Help them improve the care of senior horses. ❤️
📢 They need horses with PPID for enrollment!
👉 Learn more & see if your horse qualifies:
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Lately, I’ve seen more and more horse owners online asking how to switch to a "f𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞-𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝" diet—when in reality, many of them are already feeding one without realizing it. This episode of Scoop and Scale came out of that growing trend and the frustration that comes with confusing or misused nutrition terms like “grain-free” and “carb-free.”
We recorded 𝐄𝐩. 𝟓𝟑: 𝐓𝐡𝐞 F𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞-𝐁𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐃𝐢𝐞𝐭 𝐓𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝: 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐘𝐨𝐮’𝐫𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐀𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐃𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐑𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 to help horse owners understand what a forage-based diet really is, why words matter, and how good intentions can sometimes lead to unnecessary changes.
If you've ever felt overwhelmed by nutrition advice online or unsure what certain terms really mean—this one’s for you. 🎧🐴
#equinenutrition #foragebased #horsehealth #scoopandscale #equine #equinenutrition #equinephd #grainfree #horsefeed #horseowners #pony #horses Scoop and Scale
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Ep. 53: The Forage Based Diet Trend: What You’re Probably Already Doing Right - Scoop & Scale
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Anhidrosis is often missed by horse owners. In this episode of Scoop and Scale we do a deep dive into this condition. Listen now on the link below or your favorite podcast app.
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Ep. 23: Hot Horse, No Sweat: Obvious and Subtle Signs of Anhidrosis in Horses - Scoop & Scale
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May 28, 2024 | Anhidrosis, Dr. Clair Thunes, Equine Nutrition, Guest Speaker, Heat Stress, Horse Nutrition Basics, Hot Weather Horse Care, Podcast1 CommentsComment on Facebook